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Joachim Meyer’s dagger system
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 7:50 pm
by Roger N
Having taken Jay Vail's excellent class at the first Annual Meyer Symposium I have now decided to systemize Meyer's dagger in a similar fashion to how I have systemized his staff. So, from the longest to the shortest.
The work has already begun and I will keep posting articles as well as updating some of them here:
http://www.hroarr.com/articles-reviews/ ... er-dagger/
This should be fun.
"
Hie vacht an der Tegen, gott der wöll unser aller pflegen" - God help us...
Re: Joachim Meyer’s dagger system
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:19 am
by Kevin Maurer
Roger, I think the answer to your questions about whether the text in Meyer bears any relation to that in Marozzo. I think that is true. The work that I have seen Roberto do, is proof to me. The comparisons are more than just in the Plates. The techniques do seem to be almost the same in some cases. But then we gotta ask ourselves: Was it just Marozzo that taught these dagger techniques? How much proliferation of that was in Italy in the mid 16th century? It may not be just Marozzo, but that is who we have to compare Meyer to. Can we compare or equate this type of Dagger fighting to any other Italian sources that would be near or contemporary to Meyer>? Just thinking out loud here.
Love the work you are doing on this.
Re: Joachim Meyer’s dagger system
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 1:50 pm
by Roger N
Well the thing is that most techniques that Meyer teaches can be found elsewhere in Italian and German sources like Fiore, Kal, Falkner etc. In particular there is distinct shared material with Talhoffer, which is particularly interesting as that may indicate some core material taught by the Marxbrüder, assuming that Meyer too started out as one, or at least was familiar with their teachings.
The reason why Marozzo in particular is of interest is the rather unusual amount of shared illustrations. 14 out of 22, to be exact. That is simply too much to be a coincidence, in my opinion. I too believe there is a lot of written shared material as well, but I need to dig into all of this more deeply first.
Meyer is a bit unusual in that he has the "Shit happens" scenarios, where you are advised on what to do when your plan doesn't work. In that sense it is more down to earth, more "street" I think. He also includes multiple stabbings, quite violently, and continues to work with the Vor, Reitzen-Nehmen-Treffen-Abzug etc. Very cool approach, I feel.
Now I just need to get myself a pair of proper daggers and kick my partners (in the) ass.
Re: Joachim Meyer’s dagger system
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:17 pm
by mike cartier